Roon Musings

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Re: Roon Musings

Postby RichardLowe » Wed Aug 01, 2018 8:56 pm

It was the i5 NUC listed on the Roon site I was going to get. Probably 8 GB of RAM. I was aware not all PC's were supported but I thought all the NUC versions were. Thanks for the heads up Simon.
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby wyjsar » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:28 pm

Must be 4 or 5 years old now Richard (or certainly seems like it). It's an I3-4010u running W7 professional. Mainly used for music duties, occasionally for video.
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby RichardLowe » Thu Aug 02, 2018 5:21 am

wyjsar wrote:Must be 4 or 5 years old now Richard (or certainly seems like it). It's an I3-4010u running W7 professional. Mainly used for music duties, occasionally for video.


Thank you John. That's the beauty of having a generic PC, you can use it for several duties. I would have gone down that route too possibly, but with both an Oppo and Apple Fire TV, I have video streaming covered. I'll use the NUC as a dedicated Roon Core, and using the free Roon OS has the advantage of being an optimised Linux distribution so rock solid, and not needing any maintenance (I hope). I'll let you know how that goes if I go down this route!
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby Rune » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:41 pm

SimonJ wrote:Please note that Roon will only support certain versions of a NUC

It might work on others but if you upgrade the Roon software and it stops working you are on your own

Did you change to a NUC? My DeskMini still runs ROCK without any issues.
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby Rune » Thu Aug 02, 2018 11:46 pm

If network infrastructure in the house allows it I would recommend just putting the Roon Core next to the Router especially if it is in another room then it is not nessesary to spend a fortune on a silent NUC or PC and then using a RPI as a bridge connected to the DAC.
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby RichardLowe » Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:57 am

Rune wrote:If network infrastructure in the house allows it I would recommend just putting the Roon Core next to the Router especially if it is in another room then it is not nessesary to spend a fortune on a silent NUC or PC and then using a RPI as a bridge connected to the DAC.


The plan is a standard NUC in the study as the Core. I'll use my Oppo in the lounge as the end-point to connect to the DAC.

Then I might look at the Raspberry Pi to be the end-point in the lounge instead of the Oppo.

Roon recommend an i3 for small/medium library, then i7 for a very large library or DSD processing. Is there any benefit to be had in going the middle ground, an i5, or is that more powerful than required for the small library, and not powerful enough to do the DSD processing? Is there any benefit in going 8GB over 4GB, or again does that only make a difference for big libraries or when number-crunching DSD streams?
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby SimonJ » Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:58 am

Rune wrote:
SimonJ wrote:Please note that Roon will only support certain versions of a NUC

It might work on others but if you upgrade the Roon software and it stops working you are on your own

Did you change to a NUC? My DeskMini still runs ROCK without any issues.



Yes I did as after an update mine failed even a complete reinstall did not fix it
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby SimonJ » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:00 am

RichardLowe wrote:
Rune wrote:If network infrastructure in the house allows it I would recommend just putting the Roon Core next to the Router especially if it is in another room then it is not nessesary to spend a fortune on a silent NUC or PC and then using a RPI as a bridge connected to the DAC.


The plan is a standard NUC in the study as the Core. I'll use my Oppo in the lounge as the end-point to connect to the DAC.

Then I might look at the Raspberry Pi to be the end-point in the lounge instead of the Oppo.

Roon recommend an i3 for small/medium library, then i7 for a very large library or DSD processing. Is there any benefit to be had in going the middle ground, an i5, or is that more powerful than required for the small library, and not powerful enough to do the DSD processing? Is there any benefit in going 8GB over 4GB, or again does that only make a difference for big libraries or when number-crunching DSD streams?


I pondered over this and went for i5 8 GB as decided I did not want any slow response etc
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby Rune » Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:24 am

SimonJ wrote:
Rune wrote:
SimonJ wrote:Please note that Roon will only support certain versions of a NUC

It might work on others but if you upgrade the Roon software and it stops working you are on your own

Did you change to a NUC? My DeskMini still runs ROCK without any issues.



Yes I did as after an update mine failed even a complete reinstall did not fix it

Sorry to hear that, is was after all my recommendation. But mine has been rock solid.
At the moment I am playing with upsampling to DSD512 to an Pro-Ject S2 digital. It works reliably.
Source: Synology NAS, Intel NUC Linux RoonServer, RPI RoonBridge
DAC: Chord Hugo
Pre amp: MFA Baby Ref.
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby SimonJ » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:16 am

Rune wrote:
SimonJ wrote:
Rune wrote:Did you change to a NUC? My DeskMini still runs ROCK without any issues.



Yes I did as after an update mine failed even a complete reinstall did not fix it

Sorry to hear that, is was after all my recommendation. But mine has been rock solid.
At the moment I am playing with upsampling to DSD512 to an Pro-Ject S2 digital. It works reliably.



Hey not your fault glad DSD working I must try that
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby zippy » Fri Aug 03, 2018 12:10 pm

My impression of Roon is that there's an awful lot of messing about involved for little gain over other simpler configurations.

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Re: Roon Musings

Postby RichardLowe » Fri Aug 03, 2018 3:29 pm

I spent no more than 30 minutes installing Roon on my desktop PC, pointing the installation at my library, and installing the Roon remote on my phone. I found it very straightforward. Admittedly I come at it from an IT background, I'm a server admin with a fair amount of networking knowledge, but I thought non-IT people wouldn't have too many problems. The "hard" part is if you go down the route of building your own cores and end-points. The Roon software itself is very easy to use, but like anything new takes some time to find where everything is, and get to grips with all the bells and whistles.
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby Joe » Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:26 pm

I'm curious to see what all the fuss is about but Aurender don't support it. Even then I think it's aimed at users with multiple playback devices and perhaps music stored in different places too. Aurender's app does everything I need anyway.
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby Rune » Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:14 pm

That is easy to answer the UI and user experience is second to none!

It works on both ios, android, windows and osx.
You can run Roon on cheap DIY streamers and DIY servers/computer.
Or just buy a fan less plug and play Roon Nucleus server/streamer. (The DIY route is also pretty much plug and play if you are a bit technical)

Beside the UI Roon can do the first unfold on MQA files, Upsample the highest bit rate your DAC support. Room Correction.
stream to Chrome Cast devices, squeezebox, sonos, airplay devices and of course those that supports Roons native RAAT protocol.
Source: Synology NAS, Intel NUC Linux RoonServer, RPI RoonBridge
DAC: Chord Hugo
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Amps: 4xHypex nCore
Speakers: Dali Epicon 8
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Re: Roon Musings

Postby RichardLowe » Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:05 am

OK, stupid me! I've been digging a little more into the Roon options and can see the higher spec CPU/memory isn't just for DSD number crunching as I'd thought. Its also required for sound EQ (if you care to use it), room correction features, and several others that require a bit of processing grunt.

Rune, Simon, have you any experience of i5 or i7 for all the different processing options? If I'm going down the Roon route I may as well get it right first time. I'd rather not spend the extra on an i7 if I can avoid it, but I'd also like to future proof the investment should I start to use more of the processing-heavy options.
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