Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

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Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby Starwarsmike2422 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:10 pm

Hi

I see Chord is launching M scaler, pricey but would like to get my hands on one for demo.

http://hifipig.com/chord-electronics-hu ... am-london/
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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby Joe » Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:46 pm

A bargain compared to the Blu 2.
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Postby mickbald » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:01 pm

Bloody hell that's expensive!

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Postby beckphotonik » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:14 am

mickbald wrote:Bloody hell that's expensive!


Yes, but if it effectively transforms your whole CD quality library to Hi Res at a stroke it is cheap at the price.

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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby Rune » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:45 am

They are just riding on the wave of upsampling craze first started by HQ player software.

Roon can do the same thing for considerable less including a Roon Nucleus one box server/streamer you can buy from a hifi dealer or build your self for a lot less.

I am not convinced that upsamling is beneficial.

I just upsampling everything to DSD512 at the moment because I am a beta testing software on a unreleased streamer and want to stress test the hardware.

The Chord M scaler only does DSD256 by the way ;)
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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby beckphotonik » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:03 am

If this was purely upsampling I would agree, but after listening to Rob Watts' presentation and reading more on the subject, I believe that the M Scaler does much more than simple upsampling. The Blu II transport uses the same tech and that was very well received. Time will tell if this product is worth it or not.

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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby SimonJ » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:18 am

Over the years this up scaling topic has been discussed many times

You can’t put back into the music file what’s missing period

Don’t get caught up on this revamped hype!

What matters is the mastering to determine the quality and the source it is originally taken from to become a digital file
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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby beckphotonik » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:32 am

At the risk of this thread degenerating into a bitter slanging match so this will be my final post on the matter, the mathematics behind the M Scaler is absolute, whether the practical implementation lives up to theory remains to be seen. Common sense supports your statement Simon but in a defined bandwidth limited system, you can approximate to the original signal with a high degree of accuracy, 16 bits in this case. That seems pretty good to me.

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Postby Rune » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:55 am

But still you can do exactly the same calculations on a PC for much less. No need to spend £3,495.

If you think the math is solid then I cannot see why Chord should be better at it than this software https://www.signalyst.com/consumer.html that costs £130
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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby SimonJ » Sun Aug 05, 2018 9:59 am

beckphotonik wrote:At the risk of this thread degenerating into a bitter slanging match so this will be my final post on the matter, the mathematics behind the M Scaler is absolute, whether the practical implementation lives up to theory remains to be seen. Common sense supports your statement Simon but in a defined bandwidth limited system, you can approximate to the original signal with a high degree of accuracy, 16 bits in this case. That seems pretty good to me.



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Your points are valid and some of the best music I have heard is 16 bit based and vinyl of course
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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby Joe » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:25 pm

If you can be bothered, trawl through the thread on head-fi for Rob Watts posts for more info.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/hugo-m- ... ad.885042/
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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby beckphotonik » Sun Aug 05, 2018 12:29 pm

Joe wrote:If you can be bothered, trawl through the thread on head-fi for Rob Watts posts for more info.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/hugo-m- ... ad.885042/


Thanks Joe, I already have and I go back & check regularly. Interesting stuff.

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Postby Rune » Sun Aug 05, 2018 2:38 pm

What I find interesting is Rob Watts first slide about timing.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/hugo-m-scaler-by-chord-electronics-the-official-thread.885042/page-2#post-14383243
Because he is not the only one that claim to fix this.
Bob Stuarts MQA is also claiming to fix time domain accuracy in the second unfold.

So who has the best fix for fixing the time domain accuracy?
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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby MiniCoupeman » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:11 pm

I have heard it. At CanJan those nice people at Chord allowed A/B comparisons through a TTHugo and very expensive Focal Headphones, plugged and unplugged the M Scaller. Now I am a great fan of Chord. I own a 2QUTE and would love a DAVE which I have also heard ( more than once) but the M Scaler did not impress. In short, if there is a product that demonstrates the law of diminishing returns, then this is it.

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Re: Chord M scaler coming for DAC’s

Postby Attonine » Sun Aug 05, 2018 6:16 pm

Heard it alongside Minicoupman at Canjam with the new TT2, Audeze LCD 3, and Tidal (I think), though can’t remember the front end, probably an iPad. As far as I could tell it did nothing at all.

Chord were very obliging, was allowed to fiddle and switch filters etc to my hearts content, nada, nothing changed to my ears.

Much more important is the new TT2. It’s had a few tweaks, notably the volume ball is now front and centre and ROTATES THE CORRECT WAY! I can’t say whether the TT2 improves on the original sound wise as by this time I was pretty fatigued.
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