A night with Dave : Chord Dave

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby RichardLowe » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:40 am

...never knew you thought I was king of DAC changes.....not had that many :P


I seem to remember there was a run of DAC changes several years ago before you settled on the DDDAC. I think one was an Antelope, a DAC I had an eye on myself at the time. Of course, I admit I'm old and my memory may not be infallible! ;D

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby SimonJ » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:21 am

RichardLowe wrote:
...never knew you thought I was king of DAC changes.....not had that many :P


I seem to remember there was a run of DAC changes several years ago before you settled on the DDDAC. I think one was an Antelope, a DAC I had an eye on myself at the time. Of course, I admit I'm old and my memory may not be infallible! ;D



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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby RichardLowe » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:33 am

Oh oh, it is my memory then. Did Wayne (CD) have the Antelope then?

Sorry for derailing the thread!

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby crimsondonkey » Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:22 am

Yes Antelope was mine - definitely improved by linear PSU. Off the top of my head, the list of DACs I've owned include -
Chord QBD76; Antelope Zodiac; Wadia 581i SE; Ayre QB9; Metrum Octave; Project RS ; DDDAC.

Not including demos!

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby David H » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:46 pm

maro73 wrote:Hello
As a headphone amp to HD800 .. well it's not my cup of tea (it's a bit hard to listen to)
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I assume that is down to the fact that the Sennheisers don't suit your music/you, rather than being Dave's fault. Please confirm!

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby Joe » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:34 pm

HD800 prefer a warmer amp in my experience.
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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby David H » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:40 am

Joe wrote:HD800 prefer a warmer amp in my experience.


Yes, but I know Edun has not enjoyed HD800 with other amps either, so I was just interested to know whether it's even 'worse' for him with Dave.

I've tried my HD800 with quite a few amps now and I've found that matching is far from simple and predictable. 'Warm' isn't always good. 'Cold' certainly isn't always bad. I have previously, publicly :-[ slated the headphone amp in my Cyrus integrated amp but, oddly, it matches really well with the HD800.
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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby crimsondonkey » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:05 am

I gave up with HD800's. They did sound best to me via the SPL Phonitor but that's mostly because you can adjust parameters to make them less in your head and project a little.

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby Joe » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:24 pm

I do like Chord's "crossfeed" filter for headphones. In a way it ruins the precision but I do find it makes for a more enjoyable listen over a couple of hours by making the music sound more like it's coming from loudspeakers than either side of your head.
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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby maro73 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:54 pm

Hello
I do believe that the Chord Dave is not tailored for proper headphone amplification (it's a pity though)
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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby callen24 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:28 pm

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby maro73 » Mon May 08, 2017 8:53 am

Hello Folks
I have had the DAVE for a while now , and taken loads of time listening to music , rediscovering my same old music
Is it a hifi lover statement or simply curiosity about gears .. or mid life crisis .. heaven knows , but how my different hifi kits sound together , how do they compare .. all this was in my mind
I have been stocking gears since long
The 2 last kits were the Aurender N100h , and the DAVE
Following the retirement of Bill of Aanvilaudio, I had the opportunity to upgrade the DAC 3 to the DAC 3.7 (with LNS)
Took time to listen and try all the kits , with permutations and combinations

And I'm taking more time now to write

FIRST COMPARISON
Aurender N100 H v/s Auralic + MelcoN1A combination VIA USB to Chord DAVE

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SECOND COMPARISON
How is the USB input of the DAVE ?
Comparing Aries vs Aurender vs Melco Alone in USB

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THIRD COMPARISON
Auralic Aries with DAVE via AES
Auralic Aries with DAVE via USB
Do they sound different ?


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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby maro73 » Mon May 08, 2017 9:11 am

FOURTH COMPARISON
Comparison of different DACs

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby maro73 » Thu May 11, 2017 8:08 pm

The purpose of the testing was
1. To know whether my spendings were out of purpose
2. Share my experience and have your opinion
3. In no case , i have some vested in the stuffs here , neither am I a reviewer

Tracks used for testing (CD tracks ripped via dbpoweramp to Flac uncompressed)
1. Adele : Set fire in the rain
2. Massive attack : Blue line (Bass)
3. Gossip : Heavy cross
4. Rodrigo y Gabriela : Live in Japan : Take five
5. Ella & Louis : April in Paris
6. Sia : Chandelier (Piano version)
7. Hugh Masakela : Stimela : Drums , fine recording
8. Nils Lofgren : Keith don’t go
9. Daft Punk : Giorgio Moroder

FIRST COMPARISON
Aurender N100 H v/s Auralic + MelcoN1A combination VIA USB to Chord DAVE
The Aurender just sounds really pleasant to listen to .. let's say tube like
The details are there , without the edgy part of it
Great pleasure for listening
The Chord Dave is a detailed beast , without being a pain for the ears , fast , and shoe tapping

Enters , the auralic aries , wihich clearly sounds different
Detailed , but there is something missing .. less pleasure for listening
Heavy cross , and Chandelier sound a bit bright


SECOND COMPARISON
How is the USB input of the DAVE ?
Comparing Aries vs Aurender vs Melco Alone in USB
From whant I have read , on forums etc , the USB inputs of DACs are the parts which tend to be the weak points
My question was whether the Chord was different
The melco is known to be having a really isolated USB output
And I just connected the Melco to the USB input of the Dave
I controlled the Melco , via Bubble uPnp (in mode 1)
WOW effect .. the MELCO simply delivers music in a detailed , yet smooth way to the DAVE
It's on the opposite of the Aurender in terms of presentation , to the point of a thought whereby the Aurender was a good buy
But I won't be able to choose betwwen the Aurender and the Melco / JUST because of the missing app , the Aurender condutor app being really nice to play with
I guess that it's just a question of how you like music
BUT in this equation , the Melco , for me is a great value for money
But this comparison does not give me an idea of whether the Chord has a good USB input
All that I can listen , is a clearer and detailed sound from the melco

THIRD COMPARISON
Auralic Aries with DAVE via AES
Auralic Aries with DAVE via USB
Do they sound different ?

This is the comparison that hurts
Initially , I was in the way of selling the Auralic , because I was enjoying the music via the Aurender , and lastly the Melco is a very very good usp player
BUT THIS TIME , I am lost
I bought a basic Analysis Plus AES EBU cable
PLugged it into the Auralic and the DAVE
WOW , great great sound
No way going back to the Aurender
Everything is detailed , better soundstage , smooth without any harshness
pon , some googling , it came out that the Dave had a very good AES EBU .. or was it the USB input which is less interesting
The Auralic shoud stay , or go for something with is supposed to be a better drive


FOURTH COMPARISON
Comparison of different DACs

This is just for the sake of comparing
The DAVE is still a unbeatable for my ears , there's nothing to criticise about it
Fun , smooth detailed , instrument separation second to none

The DDDAC is the DAC of a great versatility , especially sounding full with the Sowter
The BC DAC 3.7 is an upgrade , and sad to say that it's not to my taste . It is powered with the LNS , and yelds to some nice music , good soundstage (bettering the DDDAC) ...but there is something missing
However , the BC Dac 3.7 sounds in a different league to the Eximus in terms of soundstage and detail
I can easily live with both the Eximus and the BC , the former being a good headphone amplifier (and good pre amp)


That's it folks

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Re: A night with Dave : Chord Dave

Postby angelface » Fri May 12, 2017 10:57 am

Can I summarise..

Cable type is more important than streamer ;)
AES is better than USB for connecting to DAC. 8)
Chord Dave is better than BC DAC3.7 with LNS (it would be interesting to try a VBL) but it is a lot more expensive ::)
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